How to Sell by Not Selling #417

How to Sell by Not Selling #417

Just this week  I’m completing an industry business survey and one respondent had a troubling answer when asked about business challenges. They said I have to be a shark instead of an honest businessman”  Wow that hurts! So let me ask you , Deep down inside, when you think about sales, is that how you see it?  Do you think you need to be a fast talking shark to be a top sales guy or gal?   It’s not. In fact, the best way to sell,  is to sell by not selling. That’s our topic in this week’s episode. 

Today’s Chapter: Selling By Not Selling 

When the Master sells, prospects are hardly aware of it,
To them it’s just a conversation about their lives.

Next best is a seller who is loved.
Next, is one who is feared as sleazy.
The worst is one who is considered a huckster.

If you don’t trust the customer, you make them untrustworthy.

The Master Seller doesn’t talk, they act.
When the sale is closed the people say, “We chose wisely”

Today’s Story

Chris was excited to start a new sales position promoting services that could save clients significant time while maintaining quality. Chris’s sales manager, Pat, took Chris out on their very first sales call. Chris was shocked at what happened. 

At the sales call Pat never showed the PowerPoint that they had worked on all week. When they arrived Pat commented on one of their marketing posters on the wall, it was  a new product and the prospects were quick to start talking about it. Then the conversation wound around trends in the industry, the customer’s yearly goals, challenges with supply chains which led to the services Pat and Chris came to talk about. Before Chris knew it, the prospects requested a quote for a 3 year contract!

“How did you do that?” Asked Chris. “We never even showed them the slide deck. All you did was talk to them! ” 

“Not exactly” said Pat, “If you noticed, what I really did was just ask a few targeted questions and let them tell us what they want and what they need. When I saw they had that one quality issue, I merely mentioned our solution and bingo, they got excited. My goal is always to have the buyer know they chose wisely, and of their own accord. That’s what I call master selling.”

Take Action Quote

There is a German proverb that goes Ein Krämer, der Mäusekot Nicht für Pfeffer ausgeben kann, hat sein Handwerk nicht gelernt.” Or translated: A huckster who cannot pass off mouse-turd for pepper, has not learned his trade. 

Time and again I meet people who think this is what sales is all about, tricking people into buying your crap. This isn’t the case at all.

Trust your customers know their business and if you listen you will know if you can help. There is no need to arm twist or be unethical. Your goal to to make sure the buyers will say they chose wisely, and provide a strong reference and even referrals when the deal is done.

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How to Connect with Pat Helmers at Sales Babble

Sales Babble shares selling secrets for non-sellers. There is no need to be pushy, aggressive or uncomfortable reaching out to prospective buyers. Masterful selling is understanding what buyers want, discerning if you can help,  showing what you have and helping them to make a decision that is good for their business and yours.

You can listen to our podcast on any podcast app and if you signup for our newsletter you will be able to download a free copy of the Tao Te Ching of Sales eBook. This book has been the inspiration for these Sales Babble episodes and you can see what topics we’ll be covering in the future. Use this book for daily inspiration with short one page chapters on a balanced non-pushy approach when selling.

You can be yourself when selling. It’s all about helping others with their challenges and aspirations. I’ve interviewed 100s of sales experts and discuss all things sales: prospecting, qualifying, value propositions, presentations, demos, closing, generating referrals, earning references, upselling, marketing, lead generation, copywriting, and most important the right selling mindset.

Stop fearing sales and embrace it. Learn the selling secrets for non-sellers and start making a difference today. Here is the entire back catalog of episodes in the sales podcast. 

This is a production of Habanero Media 

Got a Question?

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Owning Up to Mistakes #416

Prickly Cactus

Owning Up to Mistakes #416

Prickly Cactus Do you like being right and hate being wrong or being called out for making a mistake for goofing up? And let me add to that, have you ever had to apologize for your mistake or worse yet your companies mistake? Unfortunately once in a while this situation pops up and it’s extremely uncomfortable for the sales professional. Which is why it’s our topic for today. Advice on what to do when you’ve done wrong.

 

Today’s Chapter: Owning Up To Mistakes

A Master Seller knows they are not perfect.
When they make a mistake, they realize it.
Having realized it, they own up to it.
Having owned up to it, they correct it.
They consider clients who point out their faults as their teachers.

They think of their competition,
as being as perfect and flawed as themselves.

Today’s Story

Chris goofed and Chris knew it. Lee asked Chris for two simple requests but they fell between the cracks and now Chris was scrambling. This lack of attention was noticed by Lee and no doubt they were considering yanking the contract. What was Chris to do?

Chris asked Pat “I know I screwed up but it’s not all my fault. Lee never returned the report they promised to send and I asked Customer Experience for the update, but they never got back to me and now we’re in this predicament! This could permanently damage our relationship. How can I fix it?”   

Pat nodded and then framed the situation. “We’re only human, people make mistakes and when they happen it’s best to come clean and own it. I get that it’s not all your fault, but we salespeople are the face of the company. If you’re going to be successful is sales you will need to get used to apologizing for mistakes you never made.

“Tell them it’s all our fault, even if it’s not. Tell them we should have done better and then ask what we can do to make this right. Own it completely. When you do that you might find that Lee will be very generous and forgive us. What they mostly want is to be heard.

“Again own it and ask what it will take to make this right. And then do it!

Take Action Quote

Ben Franklin wisely said “never ruin an apology with an excuse”.  I can’t count the number of times I’ve had to humble myself before a client due to a mistake I made or more often my company made. But I never shared an excuse, even if I had a good one. 9 out of 10 times, the client was totally OK with a quick resolution if I TOTALLY OWNED the mistake. In fact, often they would step up and take part ownership of the issue.

The best way to deal with the situation was just call it for what it is and make things right. Take ownership of the mistake, fix it and then move on. It’s the thing professional sales people do.

Thank Our Sponsor Wingman

I’m excited to share that Sales Babble has a new sponsor, Wingman. Wingman is an actionable conversation intelligence platform that unlocks insights from every sales interaction. You can use Wingman to record your calls, review deals, scale coaching and build a repeatable sales machine. Wingman uses best-in-class Automatic Speech. Recognition (ASR) and Natural Language Processing (NLP) algorithms specifically for sales.

Go to trywingman.com/salesbabble and get a free trial today. Wingman, your source for actionable sales intelligence. 

How to Connect with Pat Helmers at Sales Babble

Sales Babble shares selling secrets for non-sellers. There is no need to be pushy, aggressive or uncomfortable reaching out to prospective buyers. Masterful selling is understanding what buyers want, discerning if you can help,  showing what you have and helping them to make a decision that is good for their business and yours.

You can listen to our podcast on any podcast app and if you signup for our newsletter you will be able to download a free copy of the Tao Te Ching of Sales eBook. This book has been the inspiration for these Sales Babble episodes and you can see what topics we’ll be covering in the future. Use this book for daily inspiration with short one page chapters on a balanced non-pushy approach when selling.

You can be yourself when selling. It’s all about helping others with their challenges and aspirations. I’ve interviewed 100s of sales experts and discuss all things sales: prospecting, qualifying, value propositions, presentations, demos, closing, generating referrals, earning references, upselling, marketing, lead generation, copywriting, and most important the right selling mindset.

Stop fearing sales and embrace it. Learn the selling secrets for non-sellers and start making a difference today. Here is the entire back catalog of episodes in the sales podcast. 

This is a production of Habanero Media 

Got a Question?

Something about today’s episode got you thinking? Do you have a question or a comment you’d like share?

If so “babble me” an email here, or if you can’t wait chat Pat now.

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How To Hit Your Sales Targets and Not Get Fired with Jeff Goldstein #373

How To Hit Your Sales Targets and Not Get Fired with Jeff Goldstein #373

Competition for new business has never been more intense. Despite lots of traditional sales training, most sales reps have no plan or process to inspect,  assess, and get coached by their teams through their “Must Win” sales campaigns. These campaigns are what guest Jeff Goldstein calls  Big Deals.  When reps fail to qualify prospects, often the big deals fail to close on time and they fail to hit their sales targets.  Everyone loses in this situation. With targeted Big Rock reviews, reps can take action before losing those deals.

Big Sales From Small Numbers

Most of a rep’s deals come from a small portion of the overall deals.  For example, Jeff has found that usually 10-15 deals in your pipe represents 50% of your sales.  Despite lots of deals in a forecast,  reps run out of time when the quarter comes to close.   This makes forecasting a case of art,  science,  and fiction. Most sales teams don’t have a sales system to guide forecasting,   especially important during downturns in the economy.

Win-Loss Ratios can be good. But when they don’t close when you forecast that creates issues with corporate reporting. Often times the deals get pushed out or it goes to a “No Decision”.   No Decisions are really a loss.  The buyers money went to something else.  If you don’t win on the forecast date, it’s a loss.

So how do we fix this issue? It’s  a qualification problem. You may not be able to control when a deal is going to close, but you can control when you say it’s going to close.

Big Rock Sales Targets Review

Consider a structured approach to inspect funnels, assess quality of the sales campaign and then have the team coach one another on how to improve the sales campaign. Jeff recommends two steps:

    1. Rapid Assessment Review – quick review of deals and look for deals that need deeper inspection
    2. Sales Strategy Review  – have the sales team review  big deals that may end up in jeopardy and  have the team coaches the rep

BANT– (Budget Authority Need and Time ) questions are use to facilitate the questions. Each aspect of the deal is questioned and reviewed.

Look Back Question

If you got a call that you lost a deal today, where are the weak spots that you think might be the reason for the loss?”

Asking this question  gives the rep a chance to work on the weakness before the loss. Also to look at the competitor and what they maybe doing to win on their side. Strategize now while you’re still in the game to hit your sales targets.

How To Find Jeff Goldstein

    • LinkedIn:    https://linkedin.com/in/jeffgoldstein2
    • Websites – SalesLeadersOnly.com
    • Handouts, worksheets and questions: SalesLeadersOnly.com /babble
    •  Email  jeff  at SalesLeadersOnly.com

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Traditionally, sales teams have relied on metrics like email reply and open rates to guide their sales process, but that can be  super misleading. Instead, try this. Measure sentiment, not just vanity metrics.  Using a solution like Outreach can help you understand exactly what your ‘replies’ mean and how you should follow up. By understanding the sentiment behind the email replies, you’ll be better suited to improve your messaging, book 14% more meetings and ultimately close more deals.

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Past Episodes

Sales Consulting To Grow Your Business

Pat helps technology startups and businesses discover the true value they bring to market, find customers who deeply appreciate that value then scale that process to extraordinary profits. We do this with modern 2020 sales and marketing techniques. 

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Pushy sales doesn’t work! The key is to build trust over time. What  tools do we use?  LinkedIn, Email and the power of the Voice Mail.

We believe and teach the value of a helping mindset. Your prospective customers have challenges, hopes and aspirations. They need your help. All you need to do is build their trust, and faith, in your organization. Learn  how we help here. Once it’s clear you can help, you will have loyal clients for life. When you bring value you make sales. Or if you’re a startup, learn sales for engineers and skills to promote your new venture.

Got a Question?

Something about today’s episode got you thinking? Do you have a question or a comment you’d like share?

If so “babble me” an email here, or if you can’t wait chat Pat now.

Maybe you’d like to share your musings on the podcast? Leave a voice message here. We’d love to hear your thoughts. Don’t worry about babbling, we prefer it.

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Sales Management That Works with Frank Cespedes #363

Sales Management That Works with Frank Cespedes #363

In this episode sales expert and Harvard Business School professor Frank Cespedes and I babble about the challenges and solutions  both sales managers and sales professionals face . We talk about hiring, compensation, process, and most importantly the necessity for sellers to think and act like owners and the C-Suite executives to think like sales people. Frank has a new book titled Sales Management That Works that just came out in February. We solve all the worlds problems. You don’t want to miss it.

Elements Where Sales Management Should Focus

Buying has changed immensely and the interaction of marketing and sales has never been more pronounced. Since most executives have very little formal training in selling,  there are clear gaps in business knowledge.  These gaps hurt productivity which has been on the decline across all industries according to Frank.

Frank advices the following sales management topics to focus include:

    • How to hire and deploy the right talent
    • What to pay and incentivize your sales force
    • Improve ROI from your training programs
    • Deploy a buyer based  sales model
    • Set and test the right prices
    • Build and manage a multichannel approach

Take Action Advice on Sales Management

The more sales people can do, to think and act like a business owner, the more successful they’re going to be. Conversely, the more managers can  learn about sales, the better they can understand the one organization that pays for all the other staff in the company. It’s a win-win for a company to be business mindful.

How To Find Frank Cespedes

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Past Episodes Sales Management

Sales managers go here to keep up the babble on developing top staff.

Sales Consulting To Grow Your Business

Pat helps technology startups and businesses discover the true value they bring to market, find customers who deeply appreciate that value then scale that process to extraordinary profits. We do this with modern 2020 sales and marketing techniques. 

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Pushy sales doesn’t work! The key is to build trust over time. What  tools do we use?  LinkedIn, Email and the power of the Voice Mail.

We believe and teach the value of a helping mindset. Your prospective customers have challenges, hopes and aspirations. They need your help. All you need to do is build their trust, and faith, in your organization. Learn  how we help here. Once it’s clear you can help, you will have loyal clients for life. When you bring value you make sales. Or if you’re a startup, learn sales for engineers and skills to promote your new venture.

Got a Question?

Something about today’s episode got you thinking? Do you have a question or a comment you’d like share?

If so “babble me” an email here, or if you can’t wait chat Pat now.

Maybe you’d like to share your musings on the podcast? Leave a voice message here. We’d love to hear your thoughts. Don’t worry about babbling, we prefer it.

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Defending Sales Development Reps (SDR) with Nikki Ivey #322

Defending Sales Development Reps (SDR) with Nikki Ivey #322

Our guest is Nikki Ivey  a member of SDR Defenders an advocate for sales development reps (SDR). Today she shares strategies and tactics for business development, old habits we need to stop, and new areas where we should focus our energy. This episode is all about respecting the profession of prospecting and the people that do it.

Your SDR Gets No Respect

Sadly this is the case for most SDR professionals:

    • Generate 60% of organizations pipeline, yet lowest paid
    • SDR Considered entry level
    • Something a robot could do

SDR Strategy

Nikkie feels strongly that it’s the SDR mindset that matters most:

    1. Have empathy for buyers
    2. Understand the buyers industry
    3. Look for context when positioning your product or service
    4. Help the account reps close the deal
    5. Tactics  should include tone, cadence and make sure all questions are personalized and relevant

SDR KPIs

What are the metrics we should use to measure SDR success?

    • Meetings held
    • Minimum number of dials per day (<50)
    • Retention of closed clients

How To Find Nikki Ivey

Nikki is easy to find on LinkedIn and here true self on Twitter. Look here for SDR defending….

Instagram.com/knownikkiivey
10 Questions Every SDR Must Ask in an Interview is located here:

https://www.sdrdefenders.com/content

 

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We help busy B2B companies  attract new customers and clients through the magic of podcasting! Start your B2B podcast today and grow your brand, authority, influence and trust.

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Past Episodes on SDR Prospecting

Sales Consulting To Grow Your Business

Pat helps technology startups and businesses discover the true value they bring to market, find customers who deeply appreciate that value then scale that process to extraordinary profits. We do this with modern 2020 sales and marketing techniques. 

Image result for linkedinImage result for emailImage result for telephone icon

Pushy sales doesn’t work! The key is to build trust over time. What  tools do we use?  LinkedIn, Email and the power of the Voice Mail.

We believe and teach the value of a helping mindset. Your prospective customers have challenges, hopes and aspirations. They need your help. All you need to do is build their trust, and faith, in your organization. Learn  how we help here. Once it’s clear you can help, you will have loyal clients for life. When you bring value you make sales. Or if you’re a startup, learn sales for engineers and skills to promote your new venture.

Got a Question?

Something about today’s episode got you thinking? Do you have a question or a comment you’d like share?

If so “babble me” an email here, or if you can’t wait chat Pat now.

Maybe you’d like to share your musings on the podcast? Leave a voice message here. We’d love to hear your thoughts. Don’t worry about babbling, we prefer it.

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Discovering Your Sales Blind Spots with Mark Sellers #307

Mark Sellers Blind Spots

Discovering Your Sales Blind Spots with Mark Sellers #307

Mark Sellers Blind SpotsSales managers fail to achieve greater success in leadership and coaching because of their blind spots. According to guest Mark Sellers, blind spots are behaviors that prevent them from creating emotional connections with their sales staff.  In this episode Mark and I discuss common blind spots and what we can do to discover and uncover them.

Mark’s Personal Blind Spots

Mark opened up about life experiences that created a significant shift in how he viewed the world.

    1. Noticed how checked out sales reps act during sales funnel reviews. Yet he did nothing about it.
    2. Despite finding success he didn’t feel it due to self absorption

Take Action Advice

Through mindfulness we work to better understand ourselves and how we interact with the world.

    1. Deal with your ego, the root of blind spots.  Be honest with yourself. Admit you’re going to need help and know who you are.
    2. Become more open and vulnerable with all you work with. It will generate trust and productive conversation.

How To Find Mark Sellers

You can find links to Mark’s CEO Breakthrough Sales Performance LLC here:

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Past Episodes on How to Manage Sales Teams

Let’s keep the babble going with these past episodes.

Sales Consulting To Grow Your Business

Pat helps businesses discover the true value they bring to market, find customers who deeply appreciate that value then scale that process to extraordinary profits. We do this with modern 2020 sales and marketing techniques. 

Image result for linkedinImage result for emailImage result for telephone icon

Pushy sales doesn’t work! The key is to build trust over time. What  tools do we use?  LinkedIn, Email and the power of the Voice Mail.

We believe and teach the value of a helping mindset. Your prospective customers have challenges, hopes and aspirations. They need your help. All you need to do is build their trust, and faith, in your organization. Learn  how we help here. Once it’s clear you can help, you will have loyal clients for life. When you bring value you make sales.

Got a Question?

Something about today’s episode got you thinking? Do you have a question or a comment you’d like share?

If so “babble me” an email here, or if you can’t wait chat Pat now.

Maybe you’d like to share your musings on the podcast? Leave a voice message here. We’d love to hear your thoughts. Don’t worry about babbling, we prefer it.


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How Value Selling Can Grow Your Business with Chad Sanderson #281

Chad Sanderson Value Selling

How Value Selling Can Grow Your Business with Chad Sanderson #281

Chad Sanderson Value SellingOur guest today is Chad Sanderson, the author of the award-winning Value Selling Framework.   Chad has  successfully sold and marketed products and professional services across the globe. In this episode, Chad and I discuss the necessity of using a repeatable and predictable methodology for selling.  Next we survey the landscape of sales. We look at what’s working, what’s not working, and where there are opportunities for sales growth.

Predictable Selling Methodology

Sales is problem solving. Chad learned his chops selling marketing services. He  found when sales teams get larger, you can’t manage one-on-one. Many methodologies talk about what you need to do when selling. Yet they fail to  talk about how to sell.  Chad believes in focusing on value selling.

The Value Selling  methodology tells you how to do it. B2B buyers act like B2C customers. Sellers need to truly uncover the buyer perspective. just as you would in the B2C space. The difference is subtle but it takes awhile to put in practice.

Value Prompter

Value Prompter is completed per person. There are six affinites in the design:

    • Contact Name and Title
    • Business issue –  time bound and quantifiable
    • Anxiety Question to get an emotional action
    • Problems from the buyers perspective
    • Solution from the buyers perspective
    • Value Box  which contains quantifiable description of problem (from a personal perspective )

Probing Questions are asked to find insight. These questions uncover the buyers perspective and are used to guide value selling.

    • Prepare for a call
    • Take notes
    • Copy past notes into a plan letter (accountability)
    • Development and prospecting persona development.
    • It guides cadences and content.
    • QBR (Quarterly Business Review) readouts

High performing organization have consistency of sales behavior.

How To Find Chad Sanderson

  • chad.sanderson@valueselling.com
  • His company can be found here valueselling.com
  •  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadsanderson/
  • Twitter  @csanderson001

How to Manage Sales Teams with Repeatable Processes

Listen here to past episodes on repeatable methodologies like value selling:

Selling Secrets for Women with Ryann Dowdy #244

Ryann Dowdy Sales Babble

Selling Secrets for Women with Ryann Dowdy #244

Ryann Dowdy Sales BabbleIn this episode we meet Ryann Dowdy, a 15 year veteran of the advertising industry and the Director of Sales. Ryann is a passionate booster for women entering the selling profession. During our conversation we talk about ways women can leverage their talents for sales success, selling secrets for women. Funny thing is, all this advice is true for men too!

Ryann is passionate about growing the number of women that are proud to call sales their profession and helping female business owners realize their true potential.

Success in the Sales Profession

Women believe that in order to be successful in sales, you must be a hunter and a killer. This is not true. What makes for great sales is being:

  • a great listener
  • extremely empathetic
  • good at asking questions

Job ads don’t represent the skills you need to win the position.
often ask for skills you don’t have. If you have most the skills apply!
speak of the need for uber competitive and aggression. More often deals are won with sugar.

How To Win Women Clients

When you you’re selling to women, listen hard.  They will give you an honest answer. Men are very logical are often reticent about showing their emotions. Ask a question and listen. These are selling secrets for women.

Take Action Now

Ask then listen.

How To Find Ryann Dowdy

www.livelifeuncensored.com
www.facebook.com/yourlifeuncensored
www.instagram.com/yourlifeuncensored
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanndowdy/

Freebie – Top 10 Questions To Ask In A Discovery Call:
https://ryann.clickfunnels.com/top10questions

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The Day Marketing Held Sales Accountable with Darryl Praill #243

Darryl Praill Sales Babble

The Day Marketing Held Sales Accountable with Darryl Praill #243

Darryl Praill Sales BabbleOur guest is  Darryl Praill. Darryl is the Chief Marketing Officer of VanillaSoft, and a high-tech marketing executive with over 25 years’ experience. In this episode Darryl and I have a raucous conversation discussing the how marketing and sales departments commonly engage (or better put, fail too). This engagement commonly involves finger pointing, name calling and other bad behaviours. Darryl states that sales is not doing it’s job. Secondly, marketing should hold sales accountable for the leads it provides. In the end we find the topic is much messier.

Question Asked of Sales by Marketing

Answer the question….

  • Have you followed up on those leads?
  • What do you mean those leads were crap?
  • Why are you asking me for more leads, I just gave you a boat load of leads?

According to Darryl, too often sales fails to honor the leads it gets. Nor do they share what makes the leads of poor quality. He believes there should be a set of Mutual Rules of Engagement e.g., when sales gets a lead, they will follow up.  There should also be a dialogue describing what makes a good leads and how quick and vigilant sellers will work on the leads.

Issues with Lead Follow Up

What happens today:

  1. 48% of new leads never get contacted
  2. <2 call attempts are made
  3. Average time of follow up  35-60 hours
  4. 1 hour is the optimal time to follow up
  5. 8-12 attempts is optimal

So it begs the question, if sales it not doing it’s job the day should marketing holds sales accountable? Darryl believes it’s not all sales fault, it’s technology issues. CRMs for marketing are very different systems then CRMs used by sales organizations. If only they worked better.

How To Find Darryl Praill

How To Scale Sales With a Customer Service Mindset with Sean Tierney #237

Sean Tierney Sales Babble

How To Scale Sales With a Customer Service Mindset with Sean Tierney #237

Sean Tierney Sales BabbleIn this episode we meet Sean Tierney, Director of Sales for Pagely, a premier managed WordPress hosting provider. Sean has over twenty years of experience in tech, marketing and sales roles and specializes in automation and sales systematization. Sean lives and works in Lisbon, Portugal where he mentors startups in the Startup Lisboa incubator. We talk about his 7 step process on how to scale sales organizations and do so with a customer service mindset.

7 Step Scale Sales Process and Philosophy

Sean’s sales philosophy has a mindset that sales is just customer service before they are a customer. He breaks it down into 7 steps.

  1. Map out the flows of the current reality. This is broken into two parts:
    1.  How information is moving through the system:
      • Where does it live?
      • How does it get there?
      • What are the forms on your site?
      • What systems does it flow to?
      • What’s done with the data?
    2. Understand the buyer journey:
      • How do people go from not knowing your service to knowing your service?
      • How do they get onto your website?
      • How do they buy?
      • How are they onboarded?
      • How do they receive support?
      • How are they upsold?
  2. Track KPIs – Key Performance Indicators. Metrics are tactical, KPIS are strategic eg. MRR Monthly Recurring Revenue, ARR Annual Recurring Revenue and Sales cycle time. Have a spreadsheet but just track the metrics that matter.
  3. Establish a Process – use a CRM or a Kanban style with a pipeline and method for following up.
  4. Flintstone It – Do things manually to start and then automate over time.
  5. Delegate – Map out your org chart when starting and note the roles you’re playing. He found the SDR role was bottlenecking him. AE Account Executive role and Onboarding role he could still own. To grow staff he had one intern listen to calls recorded and placed in knowledge based.
  6. Automate – tools are a set of scaffolding for doing tedious stuff. The goal is to make each person more efficient.
  7. Scaling Personal Attention – a philosophy on automation. Despite size, highly personalize and create powerful experiences that scale with a boutique feel. e.g. pagely.com/explore took the consultative sale process with interactive videos.

Take Action Now

If you can’t explain what you’re doing as a process, you don’t know what you’re doing. Don’t be shooting from the hip. Map it out, understand your sales process and you’ll understand it at a very deep level.

Tools Mentioned

How To Find Sean Tierney

This is his company Pagely

This is Sean’s  personal blog

This is his podcast for digital nomads.

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